Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen Obviously you are riding a very high horse and looking down on me. When Piazza was finally brought to the hospital on Feb. 3, he had a damaged spleen. WebSurveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. He had to have more than half his skull removed to relieve the massive pressure built up from all those head injuries. Each fraternity brother faces charges after Piazza had a deadly fall at the Beta Theta Pi house at Penn State back in February. Again, these are people who WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM BEING IN THAT CONDITION who were more concerned about the possible consequences for themselves than saving the life of a badly injured pledge. Where Piazza is not at fault, where the parents have a right to be upset, and why this is a major issue at all is that the fraternity didn't seek timely medical attention that could have saved his life. But until recently, that did not include the basement, where Piazza was found the next morning. What is he responsible for? In court, some of the fraternity brothers appeared distressed while watching the videos. He suffered severe head trauma and a ruptured spleen from the fall. Other security camera footage from inside the sprawling frat house shown during previous hearings depicted frat members alternatively holding Piazza down or strapping him to a backpack to keep from rolling over and choking while he appeared to be unconscious. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. I don't know, a lot of humane sensible things. PennLive.come reports State College Police Detective David Scicchitano was on the witness stand for nearly 10 hours during the hearing. 7:45 p.m. Piazza was seen on his hands and knees in The grand jury document referenced surveillance footage other than the recently recovered video. after reading this entire thread and especially all of your answers OP im getting the impression you are either someone (a brother/pledge) who was there that night, or someone with some type of intimate frat involvement to the case and timothy. ABC News' Gregory Croft and Stephanie Gomulka contributed to this report. The prosecutors' case has not progressed evenly since May, as the accused have said Parks Miller is overreaching with her allegations. I'm not involved in this situation, and I'm not a bad guy. In this attempt he managed to hit himself in the head several more times and knock himself out again. He was pronounced dead less than 24 hours later. To review Hyatts claims that he conducted daily, face-to-face evaluations of patients, investigators pulled roughly two months of video surveillance footage from the hospital, records indicate. "As it relates to my client, we didn't hear a lot. He's unconscious," Scicchitano said after Piazzas first fall. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 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He had ruptured spleen and was bleeding internally to the point that he was in class IV hemorrhagic shock (the worst level of shock caused by blood loss) by the time he made it to the hospital. The judge on Monday evening granted the defense's request to continue the hearing, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported. I mean, this is a very speculative statement at best. A response like yours is why I feared posting this. Absolutely nobody around checking on him? No other parents have acted like this when they have lost their child in similar fashion. I think they're acting like distraught parents struggling to cope with the death of their son even if it means distorting reality a bit and choosing to see his son in the best of lights and his frat brothers in the worst. I feel bad for the victims that they have to come back another day," said Parks Miller. "Piazza looks like dead weight. Also Thursday, an attorney for Luke Visser, one of the defendants charged in Piazzas death, revealed what he claimed to be new information indicating that Piazza may have tripped over a girl sitting on a stairwell leading to the basement suggesting it was more of an accident than the result of drunkenness. These were supposed to be his friends. And you actually say that "people need to take responsibility for their actions" yet excuse these animals? Gene J. Puskar/AP Miller explained that the recovered surveillance footage shows frat brothers forcing Piazza to consume copious amounts of alcohol. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do? A judge presiding over the preliminary hearing, which began in June, will decide whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. Scicchitano described scenes where Piazza was unconscious. When you get somebody into an environment where they have seemingly no way out, where every authority figure is encouraging or forcing you to drink and nobody would help you, say, leave and go home safely, it is extremely difficult to turn down drinks. He can't protect himself from the alcohol and the injuries, and it goes on and on until he dies, and then they don't render aid at that point. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Lawyers for the victim's family described the video as "gruesome.". Prosecutors claim the former fraternity brothers at Beta Theta Pi waited to get Piazza help in an attempt to cover up their drinking and "coordinate a story.". Surveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. Her successor Bernie Cantorna has not said whether or not he intends to proceed with the prosecution.". WebVideo Shows Penn State Fraternity Pledges Final Hours Before Hazing Death. In this state of intoxication he fell on the basement stairs of the house and was knocked unconscious. During questioning in court Thursday, Scicchitano said one of the 18 fraternity members already facing charges in connection to Piazza's death earlier this year may have deleted the basement video. We've received your submission. Ten other students are facing related charges of reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence and providing alcohol to minors, among other charges. Feel free to message us. His tragic death made national headlines after it was revealed that frat members didn't alert authorities until about 12 hours after he fell down the stairs. I mean, that's the whole point of this subreddit. Over the course of 42 more minutes, the video footage shows them hauling Piazza back upstairs, shaking him, and attempting to prop his limp body up on the couch. Piazza eventually staggered to the basement where he fell down a flight of stairs. WebThe Discovery of Timothy Piazzas Unconscious body is disturbing. The Centre County District Attorney announced on Monday that the FBI has recovered video footage from the night before 19-year-old Timothy Piazza's death. There was no premeditation, no joy in his suffering, I see more evil in the dad who wants to take revenge on the men in the fraternity to be honest. Centre County Report. Fraternity members referred to the pledge ceremony as an "obstacle course" in text messages, according to a report on the grand jury's investigation. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. Over the last several months we listened to defense arguments centered around victim blaming or how could the defendants have known they were putting someone seriously at risk since no one died before, as if they were entitled to one free death, or the catch all argument of, We dont know,' he said. He too live-tweeted. Sucks that you have to come in basically bullying me because we disagree. His brothers. WebOne of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related In May, a grandjury concluded fraternity members were indifferent to Piazza's condition as they deleted text messages andattempted to conceal evidence of hazing and underage drinking. Twenty-six people now face charges in the case. The new allegations mark a significant escalation in a case that has taken several twists since the Dauphin County coroner initially ruled Piazza's death an accident. Cold and hyperventilating. But, still, they pressured him into drinking too much. The footage, by all accounts, is disturbing. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of the fraternity and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Firstly, please read through our rules. "She has asked that the case be reassigned to another judge, but she is working against the clock. The testimony came on the fourth day of a preliminary hearing for 16 members of Beta Theta Pi facing charges that includeinvoluntary manslaughter and aggravated assault in the Feb. 4 death of engineering student Timothy Piazza, 19. When he finally woke up and tried to roll off, they slammed him back down, slapped him in the face and poured beer on him. After consuming a lethal amount of alcohol, Piazza fell down a flight of stairs head first. Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. WebNewly-recovered footage shows Beta Theta Pi members forcing 18 drinks on Piazza and other pledges in less than an hour and a half on the night he sustained the injuries that The next morning, fraternity members located Piazza, unconscious, in the basement. Ok, so they are already violating the alcohol-free provision. Attorney Ted Simon asked Scicchitano if he had a chance to identify and interview the girl, as well as a second girl spotted on the stairs. He got up and tried to reach the front door but fell head first into it, knocking himself unconscious again. Graphic video footage of the night Piazza died was shown for the first time in court Monday. you are trying to grasp onto and shred of bullshit in a weak attempt at creating an underdog hero out of these narcissistic assholes. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. Inspire employees with compelling live and on-demand video experiences. Roughly twelve hours after his initial fall, emergency services were summoned but not informed that the fall had occurred the night before. "A young man died unnecessarily," she said. Brothers [in the fraternity] were coming up to him and giving him those drinks.". And Ive had it with you, too.. Tim was in no way responsible for or a part of this behavior. WebA A. Tim Piazza was shown before his death on a video played by prosecutors on Monday suffering from a fall during an alcohol-fueled Penn State fraternity pledging event as his Piazza received "at least 18 drinks in over 1 hour and 22 minutes," Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller said at a news conference Monday, and he "never once obtained any of those drinks for himself. Let's look at the Wikipedia article about the incident. But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. They are acting like total jerks attacking these kids in public. "When law enforcement initially evaluated the video footage, fraternity brothers led police to believe that the basement cameras had been inoperable on Bid Acceptance Night," Parks Miller's office said in a statement. This may actually explain why we disagree so much Edit 2: do you have a personal connect to this? Normal people would seeing this and immediately call for help. The grand jury that investigated Piazzas death, video footage and preliminary hearing testimony painted a disturbing picture of his final night inside the fraternity house. Eight fraternity brothers are facing manslaughter charges in connection with Piazza's death. "That's the evidence that the commonwealth now has.". And what happened throughout the night was just careless disregard for human life.". "Ems kept looking straight ahead," the report said. If you don't think 18-21 year olds should be legally responsible for their actions, fine, but we're also going to have to take away their rights to vote, drive, hold a job, etc. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. The reason why hazing works, and why hazing charges exist, is because peer pressure is an extremely powerful motivator. Updated on: November 13, 2017 / 2:58 PM Piazza died Feb. 4 at a hospital after consuming what authorities said was a dangerous amount of alcohol, as well as sustaining severe injuries to his head and abdomen. I guess that is what has really skewed my opinion of this whole thing. But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. That little rant you went into wasn't cool at all. His lawyer did not return a message seeking comment. The video captured the night 14 pledges, including Piazza, were taken through a speed-drinking event called "the gauntlet." Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. Because court recessed without a decision, all 16 men are expected to be back in court in the coming weeks. It was estimated that he had .40% BAC and a lethal BAC is roughly .30%-.40%. WebSurveillance footage from inside the frat house shown during previous hearings depicted Piazza looking like a corpse after his first drunken fall in the house, according to another Piazza was part of it, and idolizing him can only make this horrible situation worse. WebPiazza's family left the courtroom when surveillance video was played. While this event is horribly tragic, I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. One of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related passing. I agree with both of those things. He had no shirt on and no shoes on. One person even recommended that help be contacted but was ignored and he was left on a couch. Three brothers picked him up and "slammed" him back onto the couch. Warner Bros. Entertainment | Sixteen Penn State fraternity brothers were in court Monday, all facing charges connected with the death of a pledge. There's fault to go around there. The preliminary hearing for the Penn State fraternity brothers accused in the hazing death of a 19-year-old student has been continued to a to-be-decided upon date, according to reports. WebPiazza staggered on his feet down the hallway and turned right into the Away Bar Room. Fraternity members found him in the basement the next morning andcarried him back upstairs. Dr. Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen injuries. He did not reveal the name of the member in question. Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller charged 10 new defendants, reinstated charges against two people whose cases had been dropped and added counts against five who had previously been charged for actions surrounding the Feb. 4 death of Beta Theta Pi pledge Tim Piazza. Edit: Btw, your comment completely justifies me using a throwaway. i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. Scicchitano replied he did not, saying the girls were not wearing name badges, and recommended that they come forward to police. 1894 shipwreck found in Lake Huron, confirming "powerful, tragic story", Bipartisan Senate group unveils rail safety bill in response to Ohio derailment, What to know about Shigella bacteria as drug-resistant strain spreads, Top Dems push Fox News to stop promoting "propaganda" about 2020 election, New charges in Penn State University fraternity death, Flying bug found at Walmart turns out to be rare Jurassic-era insect, Top McCarthy aide, House Oversight chair each met with Ashli Babbitt's mother. They carried him back upstairs, but it was another 40 minutes before an ambulance was summoned. Reporters inside the Centre County Courthouse live tweeted the proceedings as the prosecution played the surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi fraternity party on Feb. 2, the night of Piazza's fatal injury. He was just trying to join an organization. For the time he was awake during those twelve hours he was in agony. Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. WebAccording to the grand jury presentment, around 9 p.m., the videos show Piazza and other pledges in a ritual called "the gauntlet," consuming large amounts of beer, vodka and Seems like they don't realize he chose to be involved in this group and event. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident. "However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.". WebDuring Mondays hearing, prosecutors showed three hours of video from the fraternitys surveillance cameras of Piazza before and after he became intoxicated, the New York One of the 18 fraternity members facing charges in the death of a Penn State pledge deleted footage from a basement surveillance camera two days after the 19-year-old sophomore died, a detective testified Thursday. The Inquirer explains: "In September, Judge Allen Sinclair gutted the prosecution's case, throwing out the most serious felony charges against the fraternity members and saying prosecutors had not presented enough evidence to support them. Piazzas father, Jim Piazza, said his family was making plans for the holidays without the son. 2023 Telepictures Productions Inc. One brother tried to convince the others that Piazza needed immediate medical help, but was ignored. The legal system is mostly consequentialist simply because letting judges and juries decide which defendants are 'nice people at heart' and let them go, is exactly how lynch mobs and rich, pillar of the community rapists got away with a slap on the wrists or less. I don't think it's cool at all to launch a personal attack like that, in a sub reddit that is about changing view points. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Power your marketing strategy with perfectly branded videos to drive better ROI. Host virtual events and webinars to increase engagement and generate leads. He is then carried up, while unconscious, by a group of frat brothers who then proceed to "slam" him, slap him, pour water on him and even throw a shoe at him, according to accounts of the footage. This is very true, they really have no good options here. I guess I have just been annoyed with the parents claiming that if it was someone else, Tim would have saved them and walked out. Prosecutors indicated that police would be filing additional charges in connection to the deleted video, PennLive.com reports. The grand jury concluded that, after Piazza was taken to the hospital, there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting text messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video. 2023 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC. Scicchitano testified in court that Piazza "looked like a corpse" the morning after the fall. WebVideo deleted from Penn State fraternity camera in Timothy Piazza case, police say Susan Miller USA TODAY 0:00 1:58 Video on a camera inside a Penn State fraternity house WebDeleted surveillance video from inside a Penn State fraternity house recovered by prosecutors has led to new charges. I just can't call them evil. Sure. In another tweet, typed after those in the courtroom watched footage of Piazza roll in pain on the floor in the early hours of the morning after falling 15 feet, Snyder said: "The courtroom is silent.". We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. I don't even know where you get the whole idea I am making personal digs at people, or how you can think anything i said could only be thought by a frat bro, or whatever. Piazza was carried to a couch where frat brothers poured beer on him, hit him, and eventually propped him on his side. What led to his death was the negligent behavior of the fraternity members after Tim was first injured. I haven't liked the idolization of him, and how the parents have basically ripped on everyone that their son has ever known. The frat decided to pick him up, move him to a new location, talk about it for forty minutes, agree to call for help but not inform them when the incident occurred and tried to clean him of blood and change his clothes. Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views! The video includes Piazza consuming nearly 20 drinks in 90 minutes. I just don't like the way this kids parents have acted at all. Piazzadied in ahospital Feb. 4, about 30 hours after a bid acceptance partyin which the former high school football player fell repeatedly. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. It was at this point that he was carried upstairs. In the early morning of February 3, 2017, Piazza tried to get up, but once he reached a standing position, fell backwards. The footage, as outlined in the grand jury presentment, shows an inebriated Piazza fall down the stairs. This dental device was sold to fix patients' jaws. He said coercing someone to drink as much as his son did is egregiously reckless and, according to the police and the DA, is criminal.. Flanked by Piazza's parents, Centre County district attorney Stacy Parks Miller told reporters that 12 new defendants, as well as five old ones, are facing new criminal charges, including involuntary manslaughter, hazing and giving alcohol to minors. What happened to him after that, is entirely on the willful and blatant negligence of his frat brothers. Shit is about to get real and hit the fan because charges have been refiled, theres new charges, on top of a new judge overseeing the entire thing and new evidence. Timothy Piazza, 19, from New Jersey died after falling down a flight of stairs during a hazing ritual at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house. It could certainly be considered nansalyhbter, and it is horrible what these kids didbut can you explain how this all of a sudden became murder? On the night of February 2, 2017, while undergoing hazing rituals for the fraternity, Piazza, on an essentially empty stomach, drank large amounts of alcohol in a short time as part of an obstacle course called "The Gauntlet", which required each pledge to drink from a bottle of vodka, drink a beer, and finally drink from a bag of wine. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. Make me see why the Piazza parents are not complete assholes. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Courtroom when surveillance video was played front door but fell head first strategy with perfectly branded videos to drive ROI... 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